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Feathermoore Rep · Oct 22, 2010, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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You lose once to a good team, you never see them again. They go on for 100 wins because they are good at the game. Why punish that????
Gee, I don't know, because random teams should be random?

This really was the next best thing after trying to stop a team from getting a successful sync the first time.

Besides, there's still the Snowball ATS.

While i personally never hit 100 wins. I do recall getting to 40-50 a few times with legit random teams. It doesn't take much to be good.

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Originally Posted by Sharkinu

o_O Whut? I dont know about you, but I had to fight against the same sync'd team over and over again last year. How is that fair?

Quit playing at dead hours in a dead game. You play HA at dead hours you'll face the same team over and over again too.

Anyone who played at peak hours or even just outside peak hours never faced syncers repeatedly.

I put up like 4k points last year, playing at all times of the day. Peak time was the easiest to play. Most people on and easy to get streaks. Playing at 5am on the other hand. You start to occasionally wait to face a team and face the same people occasionally. IT HAPPENS!

I don't mind losing to a syncer at 5am in a dead game. If i start losing to bad syncers, then maybe its time to go to bed.

But seriously. Its a bad fix for ANET original coding failure.

I will admit they did a fairly good balance job with the builds, however they made players have too much defense. Its obvious why they have to much defense too. Its because they want to make sure each class is fairly balanced in 1v1 versus all other classes.

Its cool. I'll just farm and bork the economy more with everyone else. Rip off some kids for their tots, sweets and other things people are under selling and make some money.

Its not fun playing with random kids for hours on end. End of story. I'm too baked to try and formulate more arguments against it. Its obvious if you look past all the syncer hate....which wasn't honestly that big problem.

Thevil King · Oct 22, 2010, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by Lanier

good, leave please. Im sure many of us don't want people like you doing cb anyway. Its supposed to be a festival format for fun. Your previous posts make you look like an elitist ass so I think many of us couldn't care less if you leave.

In my opinion, costume brawl is perfect just like it is. The builds arn't supposed to kill super fast anyway. Why would they in a format with little reliable healing? The overall offensive power of the builds is just like they should be.

yes, the typical attitude to someone with a dissenting view, how intolerant.

i mean, instead of attaking me, why don't you look at the arguments i put up. or are you so intolerant that you are going to ignore whatever i say just because you dont agree with me? in which case, who is being the elitist here?

Skyy High · Oct 22, 2010, 03:06 AM // 03:06

<3 random teams. Death to synching, death to "oh crap I finally got a good team, can't quit now...."

Now, it's just fun with random people, like it should be.

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Its not fun playing with random kids for hours on end. End of story.

Ever think that you're not supposed to? If the arena's not fun random, play something else. If you need uber competitive play...well, maybe they should do something like a CB AT, like the snowball AT.

Lanier · Oct 22, 2010, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Whatever... there really is no point to this since you arn't going to change your views (no one ever does on this forum), but ill go ahead and attempt to argue with you anyway...

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

i just have to say, gg anet thx for your "special present"

cb is probably the event that me and my friends look forward to the most evry yr. especially so after the deletion of hb/ta. now its pretty much a joke with all this random team sht.

after having played this for about 30 games now and i realized, its even worse than ra.
just one game i have a great team and play a good game, then the next i get some random noobs and lose 20-5. at least in ra the matches are much shorter, but this, cb, is just plain torture.

So? Thats part of it being random. Random team formats arent supposed to be super competitive. You win, you lose, its all up to chance. That is the whole point of it being random and thats how it should be in my opinion. Costume Brawl shouldn't cater to the hard core PvPers because it attracts all types of games - casual, PvEers, PvPers. It is supposed to be a laid back, casual PvP that people do for fun in the spirit of the halloween festival. It shouldn't be a super competitive PvP format.

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

i am not complaining about losing the match, but rather the fact that i am forced to play with largely brainless ppl who have no understanding of the format. with 1 person alone there is pretty much no way to carry; and when the good players are trying to win, they are completely helpless because the rest of the team acts dumb.

This right here is why I called you "an elitist ass". Try being more tolerant of the players. Like I said, this is a format for all skill levels and all types of players. Therefore, you are going to see both typical PvPers (what you would consider "decent") and casual PvEers in addition to the occasional newbies. It is supposed to be an arena of mixed skill and game experience, so stop being so damn judgemental and calling PvEers who don't have much experience in PvP dumb or brainless.

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

it will take a monumental effort for any decent player to put up with this. the old days of cb where skilled teams play against eachother in epic match ups are gone, thx to this randomized shit.

Not true. You're just an intolerant player who obviously expected the format to be more competive that it is. It is supposed to be a casual format that all types of players can compete in, not just your "skilled" teams of experienced (or more experienced than us PvEers) PvPers.

Skyy High · Oct 22, 2010, 03:17 AM // 03:17

I must laugh at people who are specifically saying that they're upset that they can't synch with their friends anymore. I can maybe get behind people who are upset that you can't fight with the same random bunch of strangers and get used to playing with each other over multiple fights; I do miss that part of the game. But...missing the specific thing that ANet wanted to stamp out? Heh. No sympathy from me.

Also: new map looks really nice. Need to play it a bit more to get a better feel for it.

Aji Moto · Oct 22, 2010, 03:21 AM // 03:21

I'm not sure this format is best for any player type. It's too random. However, the question that should be asked is what do casual players want from CB and does the new format really satisfy that?

To win matches: Not sure if the new format really changes this all that much. Syncing isn't really a problem until the off hours (where most casual players don't play anyway). At best, now everyone has a equal chance of winning, but might as well make it a lottery then.

To play with their friends: Old or new format, this wasn't easy to do on CB outside of off hours.

To improve their play style: Not really possible in the new format because it is too random. The better players are already unhappy with this format. A bad player becoming a good player, will just become as frustrated as the other good players.

To farm points: Is farming a casual activity?

To experience some pvp: Without tactics or the opportunity to improve yourself and see results, this format really isn't pvp at all.

Silverblad3 · Oct 22, 2010, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

The only reason you would lose more games than you win now is if you can't lead your team to a victory.

Please note my usage of the word "lead" and not the word "carry".

You have 30 seconds to tell players what to do or draw on the mini-map, most of the morons are tellng you what to do and no one ends up listening to anyone. I like the new take on 'leadership'.

Then do that every game....great. No thanks. I can go lead folks in AB if I want to do that.

So, in your argument, skill has no place then? Tactical knowledge? All this is really carrying bad players, or put up with folks leaving, yelling insults when then they run into a group of 5 players. Just might have to wait till the bad players get bored.

Silver

Elnino · Oct 22, 2010, 03:28 AM // 03:28

red resign anyone?

Sankt Hallvard · Oct 22, 2010, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by Lanier

It shouldn't be a super competitive PvP format.

Says who? It is a very good format, why throw it away for a 10-day long noobfest? Given a chance it rewards players who can master both tactics and individual skill, teamwork and coordination is rewarded. All the elements are there for it to be a successful competitive format. There is a middle ground you know from being super srs like gvg mAT and this tripe they gave us this year.

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Originally Posted by Lanier

It is supposed to be an arena of mixed skill and game experience, so stop being so damn judgemental and calling PvEers who don't have much experience in PvP dumb or brainless.

Not going to speak for the guy you're quoting but calling the average joe playing CB right now dumb or brainless is in no way unfair to them. I do my best not to get worked up over bad players, but this year this problem is made a lot worse IMO. Previous years when I got some inexperienced people on my team I could at least try to teach them some basic things and help them improve as the streak got longer. It was fun for me to help others, it was beneficial for me to do so since it improved our chances of getting a longer streak and I assume at least some of them appreciated the input. Socially it was a lot of fun too.

UNFORTUNATELY it seems most people nowadays are in fact dumb and brainless and prefer to stay that way. They play pve, they love to grind/farm repetitive tasks and when they pvp they want pve rewards with as little effort and brain challenge as possible. Personally I think this is really sad and I don't get why Anet keeps rewarding this attitude.

Lanier · Oct 22, 2010, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by Aji Moto

I'm not sure this format is best for any player type. It's too random. However, the question that should be asked is what do casual players want from CB and does the new format really satisfy that?

Uh, I think most players want CB to have fun. It is also a pretty efficient way to obtain ToT bags for those who want those.

cellardweller · Oct 22, 2010, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Playing with team mates instead of randoms isn't a problem, playing with team mates so that you can steamroll over randoms with little effort is. If you want to play with team mates, play against other teams.

Thevil King · Oct 22, 2010, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Whatever... there really is no point to this since you arn't going to change your views (no one ever does on this forum), but ill go ahead and attempt to argue with you anyway...

if you arent serious about what you are talking about, then why do you call out other ppl on that? it seems to me like saying "i dont care what other ppl thinks because im going to blindly believe what i alrdy believe anyways, not even if other ppl raise a valid objection to me"

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So? Thats part of it being random. Random team formats arent supposed to be super competitive. You win, you lose, its all up to chance. That is the whole point of it being random and thats how it should be in my opinion. Costume Brawl shouldn't cater to the hard core PvPers because it attracts all types of games - casual, PvEers, PvPers. It is supposed to be a laid back, casual PvP that people do for fun in the spirit of the halloween festival. It shouldn't be a super competitive PvP format.

wait, so if everything is random, no skills, no nothing, then why are we still playing this? why not just play rock paper scissors instead?

in addition, you are trying to go from "opinion" to a normative statement on exactly how it should be. just because its your opinion does not validate any thing you know...

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This right here is why I called you "an elitist ass". Try being more tolerant of the players. Like I said, this is a format for all skill levels and all types of players. Therefore, you are going to see both typical PvPers (what you would consider "decent") and casual PvEers in addition to the occasional newbies. It is supposed to be an arena of mixed skill and game experience, so stop being so damn judgemental and calling PvEers who don't have much experience in PvP dumb or brainless.

yes, ad hominem attacks are the best.

based on what i say, which you disagree with, you overlook the arguments and proceed to attack me and call me names. who is more intolerant here?

now look here, i honestly dont want to bring the pvp vs pve debate in, because its irrelevant. and stop putting words into my mouth, because i dont think that pvp player necessarily equate to decent players, nor do i think that pve players are naturally bad. you are completely missing my point.

my point is that, for some players who are experienced and knows what to do, but does not get the proper support/cooperation of teammates, it is a very frustrating experience for them. and this new system amplifies that, to the point that, in lots of games, there is no team work and the experienced players are completely overwhelmed and helpless when they are simply trying to win. and this will drive players away.

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Not true. You're just an intolerant player who obviously expected the format to be more competive that it is. It is supposed to be a casual format that all types of players can compete in, not just your "skilled" teams of experienced (or more experienced than us PvEers) PvPers.

heh, more personal attacks, and even more unfounded claims on my personality. you are a psychologist, arent you?

ofc i know your going to say something about pvp players being elitist blah blah blah, and say something about me being intolerant to pve players. but i dont want to get into that so lets just drop it. but plz, just because theres more pve players, does not mean you get to neglect all the concerns of the pvp players, like anet did. if you want to promote your fairness, you better consider both sides of the argument instead of being biased to one. pz

Markus Clouser · Oct 22, 2010, 03:50 AM // 03:50

Random teams FTW!

Aji Moto · Oct 22, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Uh, I think most players want CB to have fun. It is also a pretty efficient way to obtain ToT bags for those who want those.

Is it fun or just efficient? Anet could make it a dice game with the same effect.

Lanier · Oct 22, 2010, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

if you arent serious about what you are talking about, then why do you call out other ppl on that? it seems to me like saying "i dont care what other ppl thinks because im going to blindly believe what i alrdy believe anyways, not even if other ppl raise a valid objection to me"

Huh? I didnt say I wasn't going to listen to your objections. I just said that most of the time, thats what people do. How many times have you actually seen someone "persuade" someone else on this forum with their arguements. People are stubborn, but I never said I wasn't going to listen to your post. On the contrary, I said I didn't expect you (or anyone who already disagreed with me) to accept any of my arguements for the above reason. Regardless, this is kind of off topic...

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

wait, so if everything is random, no skills, no nothing, then why are we still playing this? why not just play rock paper scissors instead?

in addition, you are trying to go from "opinion" to a normative statement on exactly how it should be. just because its your opinion does not validate any thing you know...

Uh, what? I never said everything was random with no skills and no nothing.

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

my point is that, for some players who are experienced and knows what to do, but does not get the proper support/cooperation of teammates, it is a very frustrating experience for them. and this new system amplifies that, to the point that, in lots of games, there is no team work and the experienced players are completely overwhelmed and helpless when they are simply trying to win. and this will drive players away.

Yes, I understand that this is your point. My point is that you shouldn't be so frustrated because this is (by nature of being random and a once-a-year festival event) not a competitive format to the extent of GvG and HA. If you want teamwork, then play the competitive formats. That is why there have always been more competitive (GvG/Ha) and less competitive (RA,FA,JQ,AB) formats

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

ofc i know your going to say something about pvp players being elitist blah blah blah, and say something about me being intolerant to pve players. but i dont want to get into that so lets just drop it. but plz, just because theres more pve players, does not mean you get to neglect all the concerns of the pvp players, like anet did. if you want to promote your fairness, you better consider both sides of the argument instead of being biased to one. pz

You can't expect every format to suit both competitive and noncompetitive players, can you? That is why there are many different PvP formats. While you may say that it is unfair that the "special" festival event be an uncompetitive format, and while I may agree that it is a little unfair, it simply can't be both a competitive and uncompetitive format at once and since there are more PvEers and casual players playing, it only makes since that this PvP format be more layed back. Casual players stay away from the competitive formats because they don't fit the mentality and the playstyle of an uncompetitive "playing-for-fun" player.

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Is it fun or just efficient? Anet could make it a dice game with the same effect.

I typoed on that post. The first sentence meant to read "I think most players play just to have fun."

EDIT: Basically, my entire arguement boils down to a statement made by Mr. Undisclosed in the other halloween thread:

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I think your whole problem stems from treating CB as serious PvP.

I really can't state it any simpler or plainer than this.

NerfHerder · Oct 22, 2010, 04:12 AM // 04:12

I like the changes to CB. I thought it was supposed to be completely random anyway? They should make it more random! Like everytime you start you get a random build(from a set of premade builds). Anyway, Happy Hunting... Or not.

HawkofStorms · Oct 22, 2010, 04:16 AM // 04:16

OR things could just be bad right now because people who haven't played costume brawl before have to get used to the game mechanics and skill bars. ie, eles using whirlwind not understanding it isn't a long range spell, etc

Sure, you can "coach" newbs when you are on a streak. But they will learn. The first couple days always start out like this. Streamrolling through people who don't understand the rules or don't know what to do for the first day or two is the best way to get points (especially snowball). Then people start to learn and the games get competitive and fun. Then they get TOO competitive (with lots of jerks in chat claiming they know the "best" strategy and spasming all over the mini map).

carlos13 · Oct 22, 2010, 04:28 AM // 04:28

I dont mind the new changes to CB except the random teams. it just lost all of its fun. The best part of gw just got annoying. Somehow it surprise me that im disappointed. Way to go anet

Thevil King · Oct 22, 2010, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Uh, what? I never said everything was random with no skills and no nothing.

ok, let me point to exactly what you said earlier:

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You win, you lose, its all up to chance.

yes, according to you, ALL up to chance. now ur not gonna go back on what you said and revise your statement are you?

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Yes, I understand that this is your point. My point is that you shouldn't be so frustrated because this is (by nature of being random and a once-a-year festival event) not a competitive format to the extent of GvG and HA. If you want teamwork, then play the competitive formats. That is why there have always been more competitive (GvG/Ha) and less competitive (RA,FA,JQ,AB) formats

omg lol, dont even get me started on gvg/ha. these formats are "competitive"? ra, fa, jq, ab is competitive? lol? the days of them being competitive are long gone.

as for the gamer festivals; yes, i am one of those ppl who only play festivals. me and my friends log on only during event games to play them.
that is why i take it so srsly.

if you want to advise ppl to stop being frustrated, you might as well stop, because it is futile. just because casual players play it too, does not mean the experienced players should carry every single match. period. this new system, as i have stated many times before, does nothing to relieve this frustration simply because anet have diverged a long distance from their original goal of rewarding skilled play. to a lot of players, that is unacceptable

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You can't expect every format to suit both competitive and noncompetitive players, can you? That is why there are many different PvP formats. While you may say that it is unfair that the "special" festival event be an uncompetitive format, and while I may agree that it is a little unfair, it simply can't be both a competitive and uncompetitive format at once and since there are more PvEers and casual players playing, it only makes since that this PvP format be more layed back. Casual players stay away from the competitive formats because they don't fit the mentality and the playstyle of an uncompetitive "playing-for-fun" player.

that is about 10 times the length and 20 times the punctuation than what is needed to say what you are going to say. which is essentially "yes, i am being unfair to pvp players". if thats the case, then there really is no point talking about this matter because you are just using a circular argument.

Fox Reeveheart · Oct 22, 2010, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Elnino

red resign anyone?

..... thats actually a good idea O_o